Tuesday, 8 July 2008

PJ was not informed about Leicestershire police decision

PJ “was not informed that the McCann couple would have access to documents related with the investigation of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann”, according to a source from the National Direction of PJ, quoted by Rádio Renascença (RR). The same source told Rádio Renascença that PJ “has no idea about what kind of documents the McCann will have access”. Leicestershire Police made an agreement with the McCann and, according to AFP, the couple “dropped a bid in the British courts to force disclosure of the information held by Leicestershire Police in central England where they live.”

Leicestershire Police will release “81 pieces of evidence which relate to calls from members of the public to police soon after Madeleine disappeared.” Clarence Mitchell, speaking outside the court, told journalists that the 81 pieces of information released by Leicestershire Police will go “to our private investigators, who will work on it, all as a priority. Anyone of those could unlock the information that could lead to Madeleine being found."

27 comments:

Tired of the Baloney aka Spinnnnnnn said...

If you ask me, what the L Police gave the McCanns was 81 pieces of nothing important. The fact is that the judge reiterated that the remaining information - 10,919 - is to remain confidential. I bet anything that is where they mayo is!

IMO the purpose of this whole court "thing" was to get yet another judge to proclaim them innocent before the investigation is even over. This is an insult and affront to any foreign investigation. I hope the UK never needs the help of foreign police forces to solve their cases. They may just be met with total indifference given their OBVIOUS lack of respect for criminal investigations underway in other countries.

Cláudia said...

Why should the PJ be informed? Since Mr Amaral was pushed all decisons were made from the UK, right?

guerra said...

Paulo my understanding is they are getting documents that contain information that they are already privy to. In my opinion this was just a public relations stunt which further indicates that the PJ is wasting their resources on a case that they won't be able to prosecute, even if there is strong evidence. Whatever happens I hope that the Arguido status will be maintained, because that is all that concerns them. Once they set their feet in England they knew that nothing could get to them. Their only concern is to get the Arguido status lifted so that more people can be tricked into making them rich.

Anonymous said...

From the Sun.uk

"In a highly unusual move, Mrs Justice Hogg urged the abductor to show “compassion and mercy” — and surrender to cops. ...."

"Yesterday they withdrew the action after police agreed to hand over 81 leads.

But they refused to give them another 11,000. "
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Boas,S.M.!

Anonymous said...

And,from Destak.pt:


"CASO MADDIE
Polícia britânica liberta 81 documentos da investigação à família McCann
A polícia britânia acedeu hoje em partilhar alguns documentos relativos à busca de Madeleine McCann com a família da criança,

que desistiu assim de um processo judicial para aceder à informação."
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Do Cor.Manhã:

...."Testemunha ouviu Gerry ao telefone a dizer "não façam mal à Maddie".

PJ diz que àquela hora o telemóvel foi activado noutra zona.

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Que significa 1 telemóvel ser activado noutra zona? MC

Anonymous said...

Rádio Renascença? This wouldn't be yet another 'unnamed' source by any chance, would it? Didn't you used to work at Rádio Renascença? It must be those nasty British politicians and nasty British police colluding with the McCanns again. One big British conspiracy to heap the blame on poor Portugal. There's a very Nationalist bent to your reports Paulo.

Anonymous said...

Rádio Renascença? This wouldn't be yet another 'unnamed' source by any chance, would it? Didn't you used to work at Rádio Renascença? It must be those nasty British politicians and nasty British police colluding with the McCanns again. One big British conspiracy to heap the blame on poor Portugal. There's a very Nationalist bent to your reports Paulo.

guerra said...

Anonymous I don't know if the Portuguese police was aware or not aware of the agreement that was struck, I do know that the proclamations of Justice Hogg bring the British justice system into disrepute. In most democratic countries her proclamations would launch a review of her conduct with the possibility of disbarment.

Cláudia said...

Guerra, there's no use in trying to explain things to people who still believe their empire rules the world and that we should all say 'God bless the Queen' before we go to bed...

The Truth ALWAYS comes to light said...

I certainly hope that their is a nationalist bent to Mr. Reis report, Anonymous.

IMO you and your buddies are also giving a nationalist bent to this entire situation to the point you have even forgotten this is all about a missing British little girl.

2345 said...

tired of the baloney aka spinnnnnnnnn

Well said ... Leicester Police are legally bound alongside PJ to work in the victim's (according to Goncala Amaral and other evidence released)best interests, as opposed to acting on the dictate of prime suspects' representatives.

The means by which 'witness' accounts have been obtained by Metado 3 throughout the case have been reported by Portuguese, Spanish and Moroccan citizens, namely bribery. Reports given to Leicester Police would have been handed to PJ. The case, neverthless, is still reported as one of violent homicide.

Prime suspects in the Sohom & Sarah Payne cases were not politically protected from necessary re-interview - for which PJ have been waiting since January.
Nor were they privvy to any evidence on Police files prior to second interviews at which they were charged.

To report Leicester Police will work against PJ in any way or release file information prior to a Court case is ludicrous spin ...
as always.

2345 said...

tired of the baloney aka spinnnnnn

Well said .... Leicester Police are assisting PJ and legally bound to work in the victim's (according to Goncala Amaral) best interests, as opposed to the dictate of McCann representatives. It appears that 'divide and rule' tactics are again being applied for the purpose of manipulation.

Prime suspects in the Sohom & Sarah Payne cases were not protected from re-interview as and when required; PJ have been waiting since January to re-question McCanns.

Reports of Leicester Police working against PJ's legal obligations by allowing prime suspects file examination in lieu of standard procedures is too ludicrous to be true ....

2345 said...

Are commentators who support PJ and their reports unwelcome on this blog ?

Anonymous said...

Guerra - I don't understand either how a judge can make such comments when she doesn't even know for sure that the child was abducted. Its weird. Outrageous even.

Claudia - what nonsense are you talking? It seems one can depend on people such as yourself to give the Portuguese as bad a reputation as the British have right now.

Cláudia said...

Anonymous (getting a name, even a fake one, would do wonders to your credibility) we can discuss that topic when a Portuguese jugde makes a sympathetic speech about two British main suspects of a serious crime.

guerra said...

In my neck of the woods a judge cannot infer the innocence or guilt of a suspect of a criminal investigation, because it would be highly prejudicial to a subsequent trial. A judge that makes such pronouncements is regarded as unfit to perform his or her duties.

Anonymous said...

Claudia - I have no personal gripe with you nor do I wish to enter into a debate about the better of the two Countries. I just believe it serves no purpose in adding fuel to an already out of control fire.

However, for the purposes of you being able to direct your opinions my particular way, please feel free to call me, let's see...

'Mickey Mouse'

That should do wonders for my credibility.

Regards

Mickey Mouse

Anonymous said...

Ps Claudia...perhaps you mean, 'when a Portuguese judge makes a sympathetic speech to two Portuguese main suspects in a British crime'?

Mickey Mouse

Cláudia said...

Dear Walt Disney character, what I meant is that we can discuss this topic when a Portuguese judge infers about the innocence or guilt of a British suspect/suspects still being investigated. I'm pretty sure that if that happened here, that judge's career would be over.
Read you another time.

Anonymous said...

Ok..Ok..I surrender, the only country in the world with no corruption at any level is Portugal.

Now, is it off the mark to suggest I am only interested in discovering the truth - primarily do to with the little girl and the injustices which seems to be surrounding her disappearance? The UK has clearly lost its way with this case (and other internal issues, I may add) and I, like many others, want answers. The judge and her misguided opinion is yet another detail of this case which is 'interesting' to say the least. It is still early days though and hopefully something may still come of her rediculous statements. I'm sure Mr Bennett will be looking closely at that as part of his investigation. I for one am in full support of his endeavours and would urge anyone who has similar concerns to support this cause.

The truth will out, and I am convinced there will be many surprises yet to come.

Mickey Mouse

Cláudia said...

Dear Walt Disney character, what you're saying is ridiculous. No country is free od corruption. I would even say no city is free of curruption. There is corruption wherever human beings are. However, if a Portuguese jugde had said what Mrs Justice (very ironic name by the way) said, I'm sure there would be a public outcry and that diplomacy would enter the scene.
I too believe that one day, the truth will out. It may happen in a different way than we expect, though.
As for Mr Bennet, I do believe his intentions are good. very good, indeed. I just don't believe he has a chance against the sharks. Keep trying, though, Mr bennet. We never know.

Anonymous said...

Claudia - excellent - at last we agree. My last comment re corruption was rediculous.

Mrs Justice Hoggs name is ironic? Hogg? Well, I suppose that could be ironic depending on how you view it.

Anyway, perhaps if we all lend some support to Mr Bennett he will make significant progress - given that the majority of the UK public (and Portuguese) are doubtful of the McCanns actions and motives. However, if we all just do nothing except pre-empt failure, then that will be the likely outcome.
I, for one, am sick of hearing how wonderful and righteous the McCanns are - while everyone else is to blame. And the frustrating thing is that they have friends/contacts in high places who seem to constantly assist them in portraying this 'do no wrong' nonsence. Justice Hoggs comments were a disgrace. In fact, I believe the whole court thing itself was entirely a PR exercise - the outcome designed to fool the public further into believing the law is actually behind them. Lets face it, what was the legal outcome? Oh yes, access to information they themselves had at the outset. How very important and what a great victory for them. Not. The Justice Hogg thing isn't over yet.

Dear Walt Disney Character.
(You don't like my chosen name?)

Cláudia said...

Dear Walt Disney character,

I used to like Mickey Mouse when I was a little girl. But I'm 29 now.
I agree the court thing was just a PR stunt. But that doesn not excuse Mrs Justice (ahem) pathetic performance. To be honest, I think they have too many support to ne disturbed by Mr Bennet's good intentions. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't support him or any other person trying to get to the bottom of this. Some of us aren't easy to shut up.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, its going to be a tough one. But on the upside - it has now become a so-called global issue.. No-one is infallible, including the McCanns and their 'people'.
The McCanns are just plain old doctors - nothing particularly special (although they seem to think they are the next best thing to God himself).

Dear Walt Disney Character

Cláudia said...

Dear Walt Disney Character,

I would like to agree that they aren't special but I don't think that people who aren't special speak with Gordon Brown on the phone. But the world is not blind, that's for sure.

Anonymous said...

Claudia - I hear you - but remember Gordon Brown had another agenda at the time - he was trying to secure the publics good will for his own political reasons. He quickly recoiled when he realised his involvement (publicly, at least) was not the most prudent of moves.

I think many in high places, who supported the McCanns publicly at the outset, now have no alternative but to continue - think of their reputations...

DWDC

Cláudia said...

DWDC,

I know. But it's not their motivations that I worry about. It's the fact that they do continue...